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Zelda 08-16-2017 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Swallowtail (Post 597911)
I cant find characters that I really like so I'm never motivated to do anything and I hate this lmao

aw man, that sucks :u

Have you ever tried online roleplaying (like the NES's here on w/b)? Sometimes created characters and just playing with them can lead to loads of inspiration.

Zelda 08-21-2017 11:29 AM

there's no way to avoid giving Panda pronouns and that frustrates me so much.

Gracithe1andonly 10-01-2017 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelda (Post 598079)
there's no way to avoid giving Panda pronouns and that frustrates me so much.

you can avoid it but it's weird as heck

for short amounts of time you can make it work but after about five paragraphs you are required to reveal a pronoun or die

edit: I relate because I was writing a kp story once and out of respect to a certain character's sensibilities I tried to avoid pronouns and it was so hard

SilverMoon 10-01-2017 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelda (Post 598079)
there's no way to avoid giving Panda pronouns and that frustrates me so much.

im good at avoiding pronouns what kinda problem u havin

Zelda 10-20-2017 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gracithe1andonly (Post 598269)
you can avoid it but it's weird as heck

for short amounts of time you can make it work but after about five paragraphs you are required to reveal a pronoun or die

edit: I relate because I was writing a kp story once and out of respect to a certain character's sensibilities I tried to avoid pronouns and it was so hard

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Originally Posted by SilverMoon (Post 598271)
im good at avoiding pronouns what kinda problem u havin

@Snow
I made it work fam, it works, it's possible c:

@Ena
There were just too many characters that I was trying to he ambiguous about, it made the writing super stilted b/c it was in first person. But it's okay now, I narrowed the feild to two characters, and Panda was always feminine anyways ^_^

Zelda 11-16-2017 02:36 AM

Re has another rant and this time it's about feminism. Who even uses titles anymore?
 
I am lowkey angry at feminism and hopefully that's not as stupid as it sounds.

But like, I'm so frustrated because writing female characters used to be easy. Like it used to not matter what the girl character was, what her personality was like, as long as I could write her as herself. And then I started reading all these feminism things. They're everywhere I swear. It's all tumblr and pinterest, granted, but it's everyfuckingwhere.

And it's so difficult to write girl charries now because?? I feel like I have to do something with them. I feel like I have to force them to mean something, to cram as much importance and meaningfulness as possible down their throats.

Like no, stop. Just let me write a Soft Girl. Just let me write an Angry Girl. I don't want it to turn into a message to women about blah blah blah.

Boys are so much simpler. 'Oh there's a Jensen. Let's give him, um, chronic depression and an excellent poker face. There, done, more development can come as I write.'

With girls there's so much pressure to make them *matter* right off the bat.

Like damn, I've got no feel for them anymore. I'm a girl, I should be able to write girls?? Yes??? But hell if it isn't a mountain of a task.

Make them matter

Make them matter

Make them matter

No. Stop. I don't want them to matter. I don't want any of the genders I write to matter. They don't need to be messages, they don't need to be important. I need them to just. be. them. Or else they will only be dust.

Go away tumblr feminism. You're scrunching my charries.

11-16-2017 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelda (Post 598630)
I am lowkey angry at feminism and hopefully that's not as stupid as it sounds.

But like, I'm so frustrated because writing female characters used to be easy. Like it used to not matter what the girl character was, what her personality was like, as long as I could write her as herself. And then I started reading all these feminism things. They're everywhere I swear. It's all tumblr and pinterest, granted, but it's everyfuckingwhere.

And it's so difficult to write girl charries now because?? I feel like I have to do something with them. I feel like I have to force them to mean something, to cram as much importance and meaningfulness as possible down their throats.

Like no, stop. Just let me write a Soft Girl. Just let me write an Angry Girl. I don't want it to turn into a message to women about blah blah blah.

Boys are so much simpler. 'Oh there's a Jensen. Let's give him, um, chronic depression and an excellent poker face. There, done, more development can come as I write.'

With girls there's so much pressure to make them *matter* right off the bat.

Like damn, I've got no feel for them anymore. I'm a girl, I should be able to write girls?? Yes??? But hell if it isn't a mountain of a task.

Make them matter

Make them matter

Make them matter

No. Stop. I don't want them to matter. I don't want any of the genders I write to matter. They don't need to be messages, they don't need to be important. I need them to just. be. them. Or else they will only be dust.

Go away tumblr feminism. You're scrunching my charries.

(screech inhale exhale) I'm not a feminist but I do feel personalities shouldn't be stereotyped by the character's gender but i should step out now since i don't do tumblr and i have no idea what you're tlaking about i just felt like blah idk why im writing this but yeah C:

welp hopefully there's no drama

Zelda 11-18-2017 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Syafai (Post 598634)
(screech inhale exhale) I'm not a feminist but I do feel personalities shouldn't be stereotyped by the character's gender but i should step out now since i don't do tumblr and i have no idea what you're tlaking about i just felt like blah idk why im writing this but yeah C:

welp hopefully there's no drama

I mean, I'm a feminist for sure, and I agree that personality shouldn't be stereotyped by gender. But like there's all these posts on the internet dissecting female characters and pointing out why they're great. For example I saw a post recently that discussed how Starfire and Raven were both different, and drew their strengths from different vantage points involving emotion (embracing vs. suppresion) but were both still strong characters. They were strong female characters.

And yes, please write strong female characters. Write present female characters. We need them desperately.

But tbh I don't want to see anymore posts about random minor details that prove how strong a female character from something is. I'm sure there are people who do, and I know it's not a particularly negative thing unless it gets out of hand. I just find that for me, personally, spending a lot of time reading these posts translates into me putting a lot of pressure on myself to write strong female characters. And it gets to the point where I'm not in touch with the character anymore, I'm not writing for me anymore, I'm trying to make the character a thing that the public will like and it's just awful.

I want to be able to write freely, you know?

Garrett 11-20-2017 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelda (Post 598644)
I mean, I'm a feminist for sure, and I agree that personality shouldn't be stereotyped by gender. But like there's all these posts on the internet dissecting female characters and pointing out why they're great. For example I saw a post recently that discussed how Starfire and Raven were both different, and drew their strengths from different vantage points involving emotion (embracing vs. suppresion) but were both still strong characters. They were strong female characters.

And yes, please write strong female characters. Write present female characters. We need them desperately.

But tbh I don't want to see anymore posts about random minor details that prove how strong a female character from something is. I'm sure there are people who do, and I know it's not a particularly negative thing unless it gets out of hand. I just find that for me, personally, spending a lot of time reading these posts translates into me putting a lot of pressure on myself to write strong female characters. And it gets to the point where I'm not in touch with the character anymore, I'm not writing for me anymore, I'm trying to make the character a thing that the public will like and it's just awful.

I want to be able to write freely, you know?

i incorporate strong badass moments for female and male characters that build their characters and strengthen them. a lot of the time i'll show female characters' badass side more and show the male characters' softer sides. it gives a sort of balance. but that's just sometimes. i don't really think it matters that much. no character is going to be a strong female all the time, because no human is strong all the time. we all have weak moments when we're scared or hurt.

Gracithe1andonly 11-23-2017 07:28 PM

writing eastfield be like: WHY AM I TRYING TO DO THIS I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE WORLD

Gracithe1andonly 04-12-2018 04:50 PM

ughhhhhh pARABLE

man idek how to explain how this idea got started in my head but there's this kid named Walden whose mom dies in childbirth so one of her best friends helps take care of him throughout his life and Walden becomes this horrible person with reality bending powers who nearly destroys this other kid's mind but doesn't because the OTHER KID CALLS HIM BY HIS NAME and then Walden's all like "wait i shouldn't do this oh no"

but the other kid's life is destroyed, even though he's still sane so Walden's like "what do i do" and then he just

he goes to his old nurse and dumps the other kid on her because he knows she can take care of him

and that's how Tara Lynn Ivory got Cecil Keys in her life

Zelda 04-23-2018 02:02 AM

Pls take a moment to appreciate this name:
DUMU.MUNUS kui pahhas LI-NI GE
I spent an hour on this extremely sketchy translation of ancient frickin Hittite, which says; Daughter who Protect(s) our Dark(ness)
And then since I obviously hate myself I translated the name into Slavey. That translation is much calmer; Adze Ts'Eku, in other words 'moon woman'.

This is my punishment for thinking it would be cool to have a 5,000-year-old fairy chick in this story *cri*

Gracithe1andonly 04-23-2018 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelda (Post 599677)
Pls take a moment to appreciate this name:
DUMU.MUNUS kui pahhas LI-NI GE
I spent an hour on this extremely sketchy translation of ancient frickin Hittite, which says; Daughter who Protect(s) our Dark(ness)
And then since I obviously hate myself I translated the name into Slavey. That translation is much calmer; Adze Ts'Eku, in other words 'moon woman'.

This is my punishment for thinking it would be cool to have a 5,000-year-old fairy chick in this story *cri*

Good lord, you make my etymological shenanigans look tame.

I applaud you; that is rad

Garrett 04-23-2018 11:48 PM

okay so im almost done with my book
like i have less than 10,000 words left probably
i could be done in a week, maybe more, maybe less, depending on how quickly i write.
but i have this deep fear that im going to lose all my inspiration to keep writing before i finish it and that the excitement of almost being done will wear off if i take too long to actually finish, and then it will take me like three more months just to write three chapters.
that's never happened before but idk it's an irrational fear i have.

04-24-2018 09:05 AM

aaaa you're all so lucky im pretty sure i'll never finish a book. BUUUUT i'm working on Oz, Wonderland my HORRIBLE book so far, and i have an idea hangin around my head sooo yaaaaaa

SilverMoon 04-24-2018 12:38 PM

Uhhhh I'm not writing so that's the problem I guess

Zelda 04-24-2018 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gracithe1andonly (Post 599682)
Good lord, you make my etymological shenanigans look tame.

I applaud you; that is rad

thank u -u-
i don't even know if it's right at all rip xP

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Originally Posted by Garrett (Post 599685)
okay so im almost done with my book
like i have less than 10,000 words left probably
i could be done in a week, maybe more, maybe less, depending on how quickly i write.
but i have this deep fear that im going to lose all my inspiration to keep writing before i finish it and that the excitement of almost being done will wear off if i take too long to actually finish, and then it will take me like three more months just to write three chapters.
that's never happened before but idk it's an irrational fear i have.

slap on some inspirational tunes and carry on my dude, you got this. The stars are aligned in your favor.
and even if you end up taking those three months to write the ending.. who hasn't? Like really, what writer hasn't, at some point, taken a longass frickin time to finish a relatively easy piece? what matters is that you finish it.

Boreal67 04-28-2018 08:44 AM

it's almost eleven and i could fall asleep at my laptop rn but i'm finishing this short story, dammit

SilverMoon 04-28-2018 03:49 PM

Yo for you guys that have actually written 50,000+ words, how do you do it?? Tell me your secrets. In depth please ;-;

Garrett 04-28-2018 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverMoon (Post 599736)
Yo for you guys that have actually written 50,000+ words, how do you do it?? Tell me your secrets. In depth please ;-;

okay so basically it's actually really simple.
you just keep writing.
like, personally, i need to know generally what im going to be writing. so i have an outline for my story. the beginning and the middle and the end, and then all the big important plot points along the way. This way, I know what goals I am working toward.
short term goals are everything!!! they help so much. take your outline and look at it scene-by-scene or chapter-by-chapter. look at it really close, instead of taking in the entire book as one thing.
say your first goal is 5,000 words. so you just write your story you have planned out and then you magically reach 5,000 words. don't worry if it's shit, as long as it's down and there and you can say "i've written 5,000 words of my story." Then make your next goal 10,000. Then you might say "okay so 10,000 was easy, I'm barely into my outline, so let's make the next goal 20,000.
and yeah that's how i did it and i'm just past 200,000 on my fantasy book rn and i have 2 more chapters in it.
but also i've been writing just this one book for two years now. ive been writing this series for almost three. it really does just take a lot of commitment and perseverance. i go through phases where i'll write 20,000 words in a month, and i'll go through longer phases where i write like 1,000 words a month...for like six months in a row.
it's really just a process and it will probably take a long time no matter what.
BASICALLY A SHORT VERSION OF ALL THAT ABOVE:
- outline
- make short term goals
- commit

SilverMoon 04-29-2018 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrett (Post 599738)
okay so basically it's actually really simple.
you just keep writing.
like, personally, i need to know generally what im going to be writing. so i have an outline for my story. the beginning and the middle and the end, and then all the big important plot points along the way. This way, I know what goals I am working toward.
short term goals are everything!!! they help so much. take your outline and look at it scene-by-scene or chapter-by-chapter. look at it really close, instead of taking in the entire book as one thing.
say your first goal is 5,000 words. so you just write your story you have planned out and then you magically reach 5,000 words. don't worry if it's shit, as long as it's down and there and you can say "i've written 5,000 words of my story." Then make your next goal 10,000. Then you might say "okay so 10,000 was easy, I'm barely into my outline, so let's make the next goal 20,000.
and yeah that's how i did it and i'm just past 200,000 on my fantasy book rn and i have 2 more chapters in it.
but also i've been writing just this one book for two years now. ive been writing this series for almost three. it really does just take a lot of commitment and perseverance. i go through phases where i'll write 20,000 words in a month, and i'll go through longer phases where i write like 1,000 words a month...for like six months in a row.
it's really just a process and it will probably take a long time no matter what.
BASICALLY A SHORT VERSION OF ALL THAT ABOVE:
- outline
- make short term goals
- commit

ok cool cool I'll be able to try that stuff out after I finish up w/ my spring classes
thanks for advice!! everything after this is just me rambling to myself

I'll probably be committing to like 3 (and also a 4th if u count it, since it will prooooooooobably be only novelette length) projects since um. i have too many ideas and it's like impossible for me to commit to one thing only lol

okkkkk but i think i can commit to piece by piece for peace first which will hopefully end up at about 20000 words and I am gonna make a goal to finish that this summer. At least at this one I'm already at 11000 and have an outline-ish so I just gotta flesh out the outline, get inspired, and actually write that shit down. Ayy

Uhh other 3 projects: Black as Night, Light as Snow, End of the World as We Know It, and Sin Game, probably with that order of precedence.

BANLAS has an outline I'm in the process of fleshing out, but with a pretty clear outline of about 11 out of a planned 26 chapters. also I have 4.5k already written, will hopefully be abt 5.5k by the time I finish the second chapter (which I honestly jjust wanna get fukin over with at this point)

EOTW at least has clear character forms. But I gotta get my shit together and outline the damn thing before I can write.

SG has a solid concept but still a lot that gotta be planned out.

Garrett 04-29-2018 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverMoon (Post 599739)
ok cool cool I'll be able to try that stuff out after I finish up w/ my spring classes
thanks for advice!! everything after this is just me rambling to myself

I'll probably be committing to like 3 (and also a 4th if u count it, since it will prooooooooobably be only novelette length) projects since um. i have too many ideas and it's like impossible for me to commit to one thing only lol

okkkkk but i think i can commit to piece by piece for peace first which will hopefully end up at about 20000 words and I am gonna make a goal to finish that this summer. At least at this one I'm already at 11000 and have an outline-ish so I just gotta flesh out the outline, get inspired, and actually write that shit down. Ayy

Uhh other 3 projects: Black as Night, Light as Snow, End of the World as We Know It, and Sin Game, probably with that order of precedence.

BANLAS has an outline I'm in the process of fleshing out, but with a pretty clear outline of about 11 out of a planned 26 chapters. also I have 4.5k already written, will hopefully be abt 5.5k by the time I finish the second chapter (which I honestly jjust wanna get fukin over with at this point)

EOTW at least has clear character forms. But I gotta get my shit together and outline the damn thing before I can write.

SG has a solid concept but still a lot that gotta be planned out.

honestly my BIGGEST advice is to just focus on writing the story and not the word count. word count doesn't matter, and it's going to go up the more of the story that you write. like word count literally means nothing if the story sucks, so just write your story instead of writing a certain amount of words.

SilverMoon 04-30-2018 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Garrett (Post 599740)
honestly my BIGGEST advice is to just focus on writing the story and not the word count. word count doesn't matter, and it's going to go up the more of the story that you write. like word count literally means nothing if the story sucks, so just write your story instead of writing a certain amount of words.

Ye, I'm just estimating how long things will be based on what I've planned
but I still def need to remember that advice lol

(I'd thought PBPFP would be a couple thousand words at most and then it turned into this big thing bc like all my ideas were playing off each other n shit)

Zelda 04-30-2018 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverMoon (Post 599736)
Yo for you guys that have actually written 50,000+ words, how do you do it?? Tell me your secrets. In depth please ;-;

what garrett said, lol i don't really have anything to add. just... write? Sit down, start the story, and keep going. like really, just finish it, even if it's super cringe and you never want it to see the light of day. there are times when re-reading a first draft where i just close my eyes and whisper 'whyyyyyyyyyyyyy' to myself a whole bunch. and it doesn't really matter if you don't hit your word goal count the first time around, as long as you finish. Mental was some 30,000 words when i finished it and that was an Accomplishment.
also it's so so much easier to stretch the words once you've got the first draft done, like you can add entire subplots and it's not nearly as hard as trying to add them in as you go. Or even just expanding paragraphs, you know, adding extra descriptors here and there to give the reader a better picture. That can add up to a ton of words imo.
so uh, yeah, tl;dr: sit ur ass in the chair and write/finish writing so you can add things to make it longer.

Garrett 05-03-2018 10:34 PM

i finished scars of the sea.
216,000 words.
i finished.

SilverMoon 05-03-2018 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrett (Post 599753)
i finished scars of the sea.
216,000 words.
i finished.

holy shit congrats my dude

05-04-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by garrett (Post 599753)
i Finished Scars Of The Sea.
216,000 Words.
I Finished.

cOnGrAtS mAN

Gracithe1andonly 05-14-2018 10:52 PM

I Forgot How Cute Baby Win With The Garland On Her Head Is

Zelda 05-15-2018 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by garrett (Post 599753)
i Finished Scars Of The Sea.
216,000 Words.
I Finished.

:0: Congratulations!!!

Zelda 05-31-2018 01:57 AM

I sincerely hope that none of my family members ever learn Russian, bc hoo boy, Amiah's got a potty mouth.

moeuhane 05-31-2018 12:51 PM

So the main character in my story is supposed to be a more fleshed out take on the popular girl that YA books like to slut shame
Iím not sure if I want her to be the rude and standoffish type or the type thatís really friendly but has trouble talking about serious stuff and thinking through her actions
Any ideas?

Gracithe1andonly 05-31-2018 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by moeuhane (Post 599890)
So the main character in my story is supposed to be a more fleshed out take on the popular girl that YA books like to slut shame
Iím not sure if I want her to be the rude and standoffish type or the type thatís really friendly but has trouble talking about serious stuff and thinking through her actions
Any ideas?

I prefer the second, but both would be great to see fleshed out

SilverMoon 06-01-2018 07:04 PM

AAAAAAa

I wanna write some SMS!!! I'm gonna do some stuff with it, Satan bless!!!!1

alemye10 06-03-2018 08:03 PM

I donít know if this is the right place to put it but basically:

I want to try and write novel verse. A few of my friends did it and they said it was pretty cool and they would recommend it so I thought I would give it a try. But for novel verse, you canít just have some corny story about story about a girl in middle school trying to be popular but is failing. Forgive my strange example. But anyways. I thought of a story I though might be kinda cool, about a kid who enjoys riding bikes more than anything and after a little accident while riding with her mom, sheís scared to do anything, never mind anything and yeah. Well, now I was trying to think of a title cause I love titles that leave you thinking. Preferably short like a story I wrote named Heartdrop but it could be something a little longer like a story I started to write called ďLiving Life in Four MonthsĒ about a girl who I think you can guess what happened to. Any ideas? Anything is appreciated. :)

AlgebraAddict 06-11-2018 05:56 AM

I decided to write a fantasy lesbian short story, but its starting to look more like a novel, so there's that.

but basically, it's the story of a nobleman's daughter named Helen in this fantasy world, who was deathly ill as a kid, and the only way they found to save her was a super sketchy witch doctor who gave her a prescription that would keep her alive. the catch was that the prescription was a magical remedy that stopped the sickness but eroded Helen's physical strength and sense of balance, confining Helen to a wheelchair for the rest of her life. suddenly when she turns seventeen there are a bunch of attempts made on her life, and her caretaker/bodyguard lady is killed, so they find this new chick to watch Helen's back, and the new chick is a super buff sword-wielding lesbian named Eli. so yeah they fall in love and have to figure out why people r trying to kill Helen and its cute

SilverMoon 06-11-2018 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AlgebraAddict (Post 599966)
I decided to write a fantasy lesbian short story, but its starting to look more like a novel, so there's that.

but basically, it's the story of a nobleman's daughter named Helen in this fantasy world, who was deathly ill as a kid, and the only way they found to save her was a super sketchy witch doctor who gave her a prescription that would keep her alive. the catch was that the prescription was a magical remedy that stopped the sickness but eroded Helen's physical strength and sense of balance, confining Helen to a wheelchair for the rest of her life. suddenly when she turns seventeen there are a bunch of attempts made on her life, and her caretaker/bodyguard lady is killed, so they find this new chick to watch Helen's back, and the new chick is a super buff sword-wielding lesbian named Eli. so yeah they fall in love and have to figure out why people r trying to kill Helen and its cute

That sounds amazing

Boreal67 06-11-2018 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AlgebraAddict (Post 599966)
I decided to write a fantasy lesbian short story, but its starting to look more like a novel, so there's that.

but basically, it's the story of a nobleman's daughter named Helen in this fantasy world, who was deathly ill as a kid, and the only way they found to save her was a super sketchy witch doctor who gave her a prescription that would keep her alive. the catch was that the prescription was a magical remedy that stopped the sickness but eroded Helen's physical strength and sense of balance, confining Helen to a wheelchair for the rest of her life. suddenly when she turns seventeen there are a bunch of attempts made on her life, and her caretaker/bodyguard lady is killed, so they find this new chick to watch Helen's back, and the new chick is a super buff sword-wielding lesbian named Eli. so yeah they fall in love and have to figure out why people r trying to kill Helen and its cute

That sounds incredible!! I suddenly need this story in my life.

SilverMoon 06-11-2018 10:06 PM

me wanting to write but cant

AlgebraAddict 06-11-2018 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverMoon (Post 599967)
That sounds amazing

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Originally Posted by Boreal67 (Post 599969)
That sounds incredible!! I suddenly need this story in my life.

the first 14 hundred word chunk is on the NSP!

AlgebraAddict 07-05-2018 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AlgebraAddict (Post 599966)
I decided to write a fantasy lesbian short story, but its starting to look more like a novel, so there's that.

but basically, it's the story of a nobleman's daughter named Helen in this fantasy world, who was deathly ill as a kid, and the only way they found to save her was a super sketchy witch doctor who gave her a prescription that would keep her alive. the catch was that the prescription was a magical remedy that stopped the sickness but eroded Helen's physical strength and sense of balance, confining Helen to a wheelchair for the rest of her life. suddenly when she turns seventeen there are a bunch of attempts made on her life, and her caretaker/bodyguard lady is killed, so they find this new chick to watch Helen's back, and the new chick is a super buff sword-wielding lesbian named Eli. so yeah they fall in love and have to figure out why people r trying to kill Helen and its cute

im actually writing this holy moley


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