Originally Posted by Dubloon (Post 541295)

Kind of like how there's no term for non-virgins. You're right, the lack of labels shows something about a culture.

Originally Posted by Lily09 (Post 541296)

im a lil confused but okay? care to explain?
idk i just think cisgender is like the term straight or white or rich or able bodied yknow. we just need it. how else would we identify cisgender ppl.

Originally Posted by Dubloon (Post 541311)

I was agreeing with you.

Throughout the bible, virginity is a symbol of purity and youth, with the most obvious example being Mary, the virginal mother. Since the bible (particularly King James') helped shape the English language, it is partially responsible for the lack of a non-virgin term. This suggests a lot about our culture.

Originally Posted by BookKitty (Post 541284)

ok. i thought it was, because some people include it in the acronym. they must be wrong then. but i feel like there doesn't need to be a name for it, that was just my opinion, OK? and i never said queer people weren't normal. i'm queer, and i'm not normal. what i meant was heteronormativity and "cisnormativity" or whatever you called it. sorry if i offended you, but you didn't need to get so defensive, all right? i'm on your team. i am a non-binary gender too, though i do not know what it is yet.

and.. labels are helpful. not important. labels do not define who you are as a person. they can, however, help you to meet other people, come to terms with yourself, and much more. but they aren't necessary. i struggle with this myself because i want to know who i am, i want to have a label so that i can identify with other people like me. but i need to realize, and i think so do you and many other people, that they aren't something that you should worry about all the time. you are so much more. :)

Originally Posted by Lily09 (Post 541286)

i kind of think we do need to have the term cisgender, because if there wasn't it would seem like being transgender is abnormal. like if there wasn't the term cisgender, what would you call those people? 'normal'? i feel like calling cis ppl normal is harmful to trans ppl. i know that's your opinion though so ok. and yeah heteronormativity and cisnormativity can be harmful to the queer community. sorry if i sounded angry or something, i just get passionate abt this topic a lot.

labels are helpful, but they can also be important. they're certainly not important to everyone but they can be to some. and right, my label isn't something that i should have to worry about all the time, but it is something i identify with strongly and am proud of.

Originally Posted by Lily09 (Post 541286)

i kind of think we do need to have the term cisgender, because if there wasn't it would seem like being transgender is abnormal. like if there wasn't the term cisgender, what would you call those people? 'normal'? i feel like calling cis ppl normal is harmful to trans ppl. i know that's your opinion though so ok. and yeah heteronormativity and cisnormativity can be harmful to the queer community. sorry if i sounded angry or something, i just get passionate abt this topic a lot.

labels are helpful, but they can also be important. they're certainly not important to everyone but they can be to some. and right, my label isn't something that i should have to worry about all the time, but it is something i identify with strongly and am proud of.

Originally Posted by pluzzle (Post 541383)

i reckon labels are really important, TO ME NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYONE ELSE!!, because a lot of people don't really know and feel at a loss - but having a label makes them feel more at ease and fitting in.


there is no normal, imo, everyone's different

Originally Posted by BookKitty (Post 541386)

ok, that's fine. i respect your opinion. just let me have mine. and... i don't have a label, and that's something i worry about. it's mostly just me, i guess though. :)

Originally Posted by pluzzle (Post 541383)

i reckon labels are really important, TO ME NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYONE ELSE!!, because a lot of people don't really know and feel at a loss - but having a label makes them feel more at ease and fitting in.


there is no normal, imo, everyone's different

Originally Posted by Lily09 (Post 541387)

i agree that everyone is different. i'm saying that too, but if we get rid of the word 'cisgender' and called them 'normal', it would further stigmatize transgender people and allow more people to discriminate against transgender people for being 'weird' or 'abnormal' etc. and if we just called cis boys/cis girls boys/girl without cis before it, it would be exclusive to trans people. this is why i think we need the word cisgender. idk if i'm repeating myself or not but yeah feel free to disagree with me if youre trans or nonbinary.

Originally Posted by BookKitty (Post 541386)

ok, that's fine. i respect your opinion. just let me have mine. and... i don't have a label, and that's something i worry about. it's mostly just me, i guess though. :)

Originally Posted by Lily09 (Post 541388)

okay sure (sorry about the reply to clay above, i didnt see your comment when i posted it)
and its cool if you don't have a label, you don't need to have one if you don't feel like having one (: