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Originally Posted by Frostblaze
(Post 577433)
well you know it kind of does? not kind of actually
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It says a lot of stuff people completely ignore. It's funny how people pick and choose what they want from the bible. Also that's part of the old testament law, which Jesus multiple times said wasn't totally right. The bible says
way more about divorce/remarriage than about homosexuality, and yet no one gathers in crowds to protest divorce.
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Originally Posted by Gracithe1andonly
(Post 577434)
Yeah, it's part of most Christian doctrine, I think, but not all. The Catholic catechism (which I need to read more of, eh) says that the homosexual lifestyle is a sin, but the fact they're attracted to others of the same sex is not their fault and they must be treated with respect and love.
It says somewhere if you discriminate unfairly against homosexuals, you're being a baaaad Caaaaatholic.
I guess the point is that there's a fine line between defending doctrine and trying to put down the homosexuals in the world. And that yes, it does say somewhere homosexual actions are sins, but you can't help being attracted to people. About as much as you can help that you're a teenager with acne, and is acne a sin, or the potential to have acne? I THINK NOT.
So if a Catholic somewhere is saying that anyone attracted to the same sex is going to hell, you have your Christ-sister's permission to whack them over the head with the catechism, because people don't go to hell for sudden inexplicable desires. They have sins on their souls when they entertain those desires and do what they tell your body to do.
I'm pretty sure your particular denomination is a little more lax about these things, though. Just out of curiosity, which are you? You too, Madie, I'm really curious.
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^This is an opinion I totally respect and am chill with. Even if I don't agree with the Catholic interpretation of the bible, I'm fine with whoever does, as long as judgement and intolerance don't come into it. And from what I can gather from this comment, they don't. /high five/ chill man.
And I'm Orthodox Christian, which is pretty strict about no gay marriage and no premarital sex and all that, but is probably one of the least judgmental churches out there. I don't actually agree with some of the things they teach, and I'm considering other denominations when I move out. I kind of live by my own interpretation of God and the bible, which mainly involves everyone being cool with each others opinions and lifestyles.
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Originally Posted by Frostblaze
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by denomination, but we're not lax. At all. Our final authority is the Bible, the head of our church Jesus Christ. But we don't judge people. That's God's job. We don't discriminate people. We accept them. Gays are welcome in our church. Heck, my own uncle's gay, and my grandpa and grandma are the pastor/his wife. They have a gay son. We are in no way against gays, but we are against homosexuality.
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(I think she was talking to me when she said the thing about lax denominations but I could be wrong) oh and the whole not judging thing is totally awesome. the part where I get scared is when you say you're against homosexuality. That could mean a WHOLE LOT of things, from "I don't approve of your lifestyle but hey, I'm not one to judge so do what you feel is right" to "bitch it's hot where ur going".
I'm going to clarify this, because I think there may be some confusion. Homosexuality is not the same as gay sex/gay marriage. It's a way someone is, and what they identify as. A lot of people are gay, but also unmarried virgins. Does that still make them sinful? To my knowledge the bible only says things about gay sex, not gay-ness as a whole. You can be un-chill with gay sex and gay marriage and whatever as much as you want. It's your opinion, and you are welcome to it. It's when you disapprove of the way someone is that it's a problem. I'm assuming you disagree with the theory/fact that people can't control their sexual orientation, but even so, it's not your place to pass judgment on the way someone is or the lifestyle they abide by. So you don't approve of premarital sex? Great. So you don't approve of gay marriage? Sure. So you don't approve of crazy bra burning feminist lesbians? That's fine by me. I totally get disapproving of things that gay people do, but as gracithe1andonly (sorry idk your actual name) said, there's no reason for you to hate the way someone is. Being gay isn't a lifestyle. It's just an identification. I hope this cleared some stuff up.