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Old 09-01-2011, 12:42 AM
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Default Ah.. Some help needed here...About, well, Religion

Yeah, religion.

LJM, who's signature says she's basically atheist is asking about religion.

Okay, so, I read this book. Fiction, but, it got me thinking. Is there really a God? Will praying make me... Happy? Will believing in God make my problems seem.. Smaller? Less important?

Things are really hard for me right now, and my family is in chaos, and I'm just little sparks of confused emotion that just seem to make everything worse. My mom, my dad, and my bother don't believe in God, but... I'm not sure about myself.

Is God real?
And... can I trust Him to really love me, not say He does and then turn back on me? That's what I feel my family's doing to me and, I need somebody who really cares about me. Anyone. I don't care who at this point.
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:59 AM
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Yes, Lily. Praying will make you happier. If you open up your mind to God, I honestly believe that He will respond with love and open arms.

God is real. And He won't turn His back on you. Ever. That's a rational fear, because the whole world of spiteful, imperfect human beings might. But He made all of us, for a reason. You can trust Him because of that; if He's omnipotent, He has no need to lie.

I think God makes our problems feel smaller... because then we know that they have a purpose, not just senseless suffering. And if there's something 'after', and if we're truly important, then life seems like it's truly worth living.

About your point in your signature... That's not what belief is about. Having trust in God isn't about panic; it's about peace. Obedience isn't supposed to be out of fear of Hell. It's because the person knows they are loved infinitely by God, and they love Him back.

I probably said this pretty poorly... but yeah.

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Old 09-01-2011, 01:02 AM
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If God was God, then what would be the point of lying to you? He could make you and everyone else believe in Him totally, and believe whatever He wanted. Plus, assuming He wasn't lying to everyone, why just you/a few people? Personally, I don't see any reason for Him to lie to you about it.

We do really care about you. :^)

I hope that was at least semihelpful and not annoying or anything… I need to go to bed anyway.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:17 AM
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I believe in God, and that He loves you, Lily.
I have this whole long speech thing about why I believe what I do, but the thing is, whatever I, your family, or anyone else believes, what you believe is something that you're going to decide for yourself.
Even so, I'd be happy to discuss with you what and why I believe, but I don't wanna just go into rant mode on you or anything so yeah ;p
I don't believe that believeing in God is going to make your life magically perfect or anything. Say you start praying. Things around you might get a lot better, or worse, or stay the same. With my religion, a relationship with God is basically supposed to go God takes you as you are, no requirements, and then makes you better with your cooperation. The situation around you might get worse, but God will help you deal with it if you let Him.
It's also my opinion that you should search out the truth for its own sake. Certain beliefs, for or against the existence of God, will make you feel good in certain situations. Then there will come times when they will not. When you know the truth, it can shine through the emotions. When a belief is based on emotions it won't stand. That's not to say emotions are always bad or anything, but they can turn on a dime. And there are many ways of searching for truth, all of which have flaws that lead to incorrect conclusions... I could keep going but I think this post is getting overwhelming
So that's what I believe and if you want me to, I'll go on.

I want to second what LST said; I care, whatever questions you have or whatever conclusions you come to.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:26 AM
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People I talk to are always saying how He loves me, but, let's give this scenario.

There's a kid. He knows about God, but he decides not to believe in Him.
He's only 13 when he dies in a horrible accident. Now, he's going to hell, right?

What I'm trying to say, is that God is cruel. He can be very cruel. God kills waay more people in the Bible than the Devil does. But of course, all those deaths are the Devil's fault, right?

And.. Random question... What's all this about capitalizing Him and He when we talk about God? What's the point?
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:24 AM
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Hmm, interesting questions.

I personally believe, and so does my church, that there is no "percentage" of good and bad sins. You can be evil your whole life and have one moment on your deathbed of repentance, and you can go to heaven.

Praying will make you feel better, and God will help you. I know, because he has helped me. And then believing will bring something different into your life. It's called peace. When I look at a devoted and holy Christian, I see peace. Nothing can disturb him, nothing can provoke him. And I love that. I want to be like that.

God doesn't randomly kill people. It seems like it, I know. Think of it this way, if you were a mighty ruler, and you had a huge foe that tried to overturn your kingdom, what would you do if half your people were possessed with this huge foe. You would get rid of them so that all your people didn't turn against you and die. God gets angry sometimes, but he never hates anyone. He is love, and when a city or a person become so evil they would be better off dead, he lets them die.

I'm not trying to really pressure you, Lily, but just think about it. Maybe go to a church, talk to someone, just get involved. And choose a type of Christian, like a mormon, baptist, lutheran, catholic, or whatever. I choose Eastern Orthodoxy because it is the original and unchanged practice of the early christians. Go for it, Lily. Just try believing.

Sorry for my long posts.
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:32 PM
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If God was God, then what would be the point of lying to you? He could make you and everyone else believe in Him totally, and believe whatever He wanted. Plus, assuming He wasn't lying to everyone, why just you/a few people? Personally, I don't see any reason for Him to lie to you about it.

We do really care about you. :^)

I hope that was at least semihelpful and not annoying or anything… I need to go to bed anyway.
Because God loves everyone so much that he gives them free will. Athiests choose to be athiests. God isn't going to force anyone anywhere, not even to heaven.
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Old 09-01-2011, 04:08 PM
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well I am a christian and nobody should force you to be a religion but here's a thought:
Lets there is no god of any kind then everyone would just be dead, and it wouldn't matter if you were atheist or not. But if a god did exist could be any god then if you are atheist you would go to Hell. So my theory is believe in a religion, what do you have to lose?
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:51 PM
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People I talk to are always saying how He loves me, but, let's give this scenario.

There's a kid. He knows about God, but he decides not to believe in Him.
He's only 13 when he dies in a horrible accident. Now, he's going to hell, right?

What I'm trying to say, is that God is cruel. He can be very cruel. God kills waay more people in the Bible than the Devil does. But of course, all those deaths are the Devil's fault, right?

And.. Random question... What's all this about capitalizing Him and He when we talk about God? What's the point?
God gives us a choice, and in theory, if that 13 year old boy chose not to believe in God, and then died in an accident, then yes he's going to hell. It can seem cruel, but in the end, it's not God's fault, it's ours, for making the wrong choice.
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:40 PM
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God gives us a choice, and in theory, if that 13 year old boy chose not to believe in God, and then died in an accident, then yes he's going to hell. It can seem cruel, but in the end, it's not God's fault, it's ours, for making the wrong choice.
The boy chose not to believe in God let's say because.. He was raised that way. There was no way he could become Christian without the disapproval of his family. But he still goes to Hell.

And, why is there only one God? Why not have several gods? What makes Him the all knowing-powerful person? Why does he deserve that?
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