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Old 10-31-2012, 05:07 PM
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lol come join the club.
I've read Jack's reasons. I still think that there's a LARGE difference between gay marriage and, say, marrying a dog. and I'm still undecided about polygamy.
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Yet in the other thread people were allowed to make us pay for other's abortions... Unless I have legal authority over them, i'm not going to stop them from getting married, I will simply protest it.
There are reasons beyond religion for supporting the allowing of abortion or the lack thereof.
So if you could choose, you would legally enforce your beliefs on others?

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Why can that not be proved? Your ignoring what I said in my post, did you skim it? Because society paints it as an almost 'good' thing, that there's nothing weird about it, and it fuels a question "Do I like boys??" into them becoming gay. Some people like looking at porn, and some people like being gay, that's my comparison. Being gay is a choice, as I will stress repeatedly its a choice. And even if its not, that isn't my reason for thinking Gay MARRIAGE shouldn't be legal, again, Political Venting thread.
I'm not really going to reiterate what the others have said, just that: WTH WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO BE GAY WITH ALL THE STIGMATISM AND HATE?
There's scientific evidence that being gay is not a choice; do you have any to the contrary? (And to be clear, I'm not talking about acts of homosexuality, I'm talking about homosexuality itself—being attracted to someone of the same gender.)

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If it said that then I wouldn't follow the bible, and the whole religion would be completely different.
What if you changed your mind and decided being gay was NOT a choice at all and there's nothing wrong with it?
Not really. There would still be love your neighbour, hate the sin not the sinner, et cetera, but being caucasian/falling in love with a caucasian (just gonna randomly switch races every post or so ) is considered a sin.
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Old 10-31-2012, 08:17 PM
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OH MY GOD BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE!
Did you wake up today thinking, "Hm, I'm going to be straight"? No, because sexuality is something YOU ARE BORN WITH. And being gay IS okay. What you're doing by saying that being gay is a choice is contradicting years and years of research and SCIENCE. Look, I get the whole opposition to gay marriage thing (well, not REALLY, but I know it's a religious issue for you), but I don't understand how you can just totally IGNORE science on a purely stubborn basis. Homosexuality being a choice is not in the bible. You're just stubborn, and, I hesitate to say, close-minded.
Look, I'm not trying to insult you, but this malarkey really needs to be remedied, and fast. So, let me say this in red underlined bold caps. YOUR SEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE. IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE BORN WITH AND CANNOT, I REPEAT, CANNOT BE CHANGED, WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO OR NOT.
Tell me if you want me to refer to specific studies. I'm too lazy right now, but I'll do it.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:22 AM
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Because society paints it as an almost 'good' thing, that there's nothing weird about it, and it fuels a question "Do I like boys??" into them becoming gay. Some people like looking at porn, and some people like being gay, that's my comparison. Being gay is a choice, as I will stress repeatedly its a choice. And even if its not, that isn't my reason for thinking Gay MARRIAGE shouldn't be legal, again, Political Venting thread.
To begin with, any kind of sexuality isn't a choice, you're born with it. And at this point I don't give a damn about your arguments because they hold zero weight. SCIENCE and Study of humans proves that there are specific factors including genetics and prenatal hormones that link to being gay. But even if there wasn't an explanation, there is still no substantiation for this ridiculous claim that it is a choice.

And then you proceed to back away and say that it isn't your reason for opposing gay marriage. Ok. Then what is? We all asked for real logical reasons, free of fallacy, and your only response was some typical slippery slope fallacy about polygamy. So what IS your reason, Jack?

That the Bible opposes it? The Law need not follow your religion.

That you find it disgusting? The Law need not be subject your dogmas.

That it is a choice? The Law need not entertain your blatant falsehoods.

Live and let live. Two lovers of any gender marrying does not infringe upon your rights or harm you or anyone else in any way. Tolerance.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:04 AM
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Being gay ain't a choice. You can't just randomly wake up one day and say-Oh, what the hell; I'm going to be gay today!! Hooray! I like boys!

No.
And I can't just wake up and say: "I wanna be a lesbian!"
No.

You're born that way, and if people really chose to be gay then there wouldn't be problems with people's sexuality in the world.

*reads post over*
Does that's make sense? I hope so.

It's very herd typing on touch screen. Technology is failing me. -_-'
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:32 AM
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To begin with, any kind of sexuality isn't a choice, you're born with it. And at this point I don't give a damn about your arguments because they hold zero weight. SCIENCE and Study of humans proves that there are specific factors including genetics and prenatal hormones that link to being gay. But even if there wasn't an explanation, there is still no substantiation for this ridiculous claim that it is a choice.

And then you proceed to back away and say that it isn't your reason for opposing gay marriage. Ok. Then what is? We all asked for real logical reasons, free of fallacy, and your only response was some typical slippery slope fallacy about polygamy. So what IS your reason, Jack?

That the Bible opposes it? The Law need not follow your religion.

That you find it disgusting? The Law need not be subject your dogmas.

That it is a choice? The Law need not entertain your blatant falsehoods.

Live and let live. Two lovers of any gender marrying does not infringe upon your rights or harm you or anyone else in any way. Tolerance.
I'm sure you could also prove (with enough studies) that rapists and murderers like doing what they do, because of genetics and prenatal hormones also.

As Shadowtide pointed out, it wasn't the slippery slope fallacy, my point is that if you make a legal exception for gay people, then LEGALLY you have to also make and exception for Polygamous people.

And, look. I'm fine with them being gay, and being together. But I don't think they should be able to marry because of what I just said.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:37 AM
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Even if being gay is a sin in Christianity, marriage is not exclusively Christian, or even religious, and nor is the world. There may be some gay couples that want a Christian marriage, but not all of them do. And those who do, I believe that they have the right to get married how they want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I guess this means I support polygamy too.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:40 AM
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Why? .
Because you are making a legal exception for two people of the same gender, and if you do that, you can't leave out the Polygamous people, because they're as different as Heterosexuals are from Homosexuals. Just instead of the gender difference its the number of people.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:42 AM
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Because you are making a legal exception for two people of the same gender, and if you do that, you can't leave out the Polygamous people, because they're as different as Heterosexuals are from Homosexuals. Just instead of the gender difference its the number of people.
Okay. *lefacepalmbecausethatwasoneofmyvocabularywords*
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:43 AM
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Okay. *lefacepalmbecausethatwasoneofmyvocabularywords*
Which one?
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:48 AM
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Polygamy. And I also learned monogamy, and misogynist and misogamy. XD
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