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Old 04-16-2013, 07:53 PM
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Do you guys think it's cliche for the protagonist to die and then get resurrected?

Also, do you think it's better to have a happy, sad or in-between ending (if one of the characters die, but the world doesn't end ect.)?
It can be done well, but it's pretty overdone in comic books and others.
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Old 04-16-2013, 07:54 PM
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I'm not really a big fan of the Hunger Games. I only read it because it wasn't Twilight.
Following that train of logic, you would read everything in the universe and beyond except Twilight.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:40 PM
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I'm not really a big fan of the Hunger Games. I only read it because it wasn't Twilight.
To be completely honest, I didn't enjoy the Hunger Games at all. The writing was stern and unemotional and lost me literally at the first two pages. I'm pretty done with these dystopian-themed things, and I don't like how its success turned every other tournament-themed plotline automatically cliched and overused. I didn't like Katniss, nor did I like Primrose, nor did I like Gale, nor did I like the setting or society it was staged in, nor did I like how the characters interacted. The references to Shakespeare and his play Julius Caesar were so blatant and obvious... The fact that everyone else in my life expects me to be in love with this mediocrity makes it even more intolerable. I could seriously rage for like an hour about how author after author is attempting to pull off the "strong female" character and in the end their characters just end up ticking me off.
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Do you guys think it's cliche for the protagonist to die and then get resurrected?
If it's justified, credible, and well-executed, you can pull it off no problem, although I would still be a bit careful, as readers will notice it as a cliche. As long as you make it flow smoothly and realistically with the rest of the plot.

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Books need antagonists.
However, the antagonist and the protagonist can be the same person. The antagonist can be a concept or a situation as well, or even an abstract idea.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:58 AM
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To be completely honest, I didn't enjoy the Hunger Games at all. The writing was stern and unemotional and lost me literally at the first two pages. I'm pretty done with these dystopian-themed things, and I don't like how its success turned every other tournament-themed plotline automatically cliched and overused. I didn't like Katniss, nor did I like Primrose, nor did I like Gale, nor did I like the setting or society it was staged in, nor did I like how the characters interacted. The references to Shakespeare and his play Julius Caesar were so blatant and obvious... The fact that everyone else in my life expects me to be in love with this mediocrity makes it even more intolerable. I could seriously rage for like an hour about how author after author is attempting to pull off the "strong female" character and in the end their characters just end up ticking me off.
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If it's justified, credible, and well-executed, you can pull it off no problem, although I would still be a bit careful, as readers will notice it as a cliche. As long as you make it flow smoothly and realistically with the rest of the plot.



However, the antagonist and the protagonist can be the same person. The antagonist can be a concept or a situation as well, or even an abstract idea.

1) I agree with your Hunger Games statement. I think its concept and atmosphere is redeemable, though. I like it.

2) True. But I was referring to how often times people who want to change the world are portrayed as villainous in media.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:27 AM
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1) I agree with your Hunger Games statement. I think its concept and atmosphere is redeemable, though. I like it.

2) True. But I was referring to how often times people who want to change the world are portrayed as villainous in media.
I also agree. Hunger Games was mediocre and though I enjoyed Katniss' unemotionalness (because I'm so normal like that. I just don't like overemotional characters at all), I never saw how it got so big, and it took me three attempts to start reading it. At a glance, I despised it. And yes, I read the first book, but I was not so fond of the others. They were melodramatic and boring. Could have been done a lot better. Without Catching Fire, jumping straight to a different sort of rebellion.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:09 PM
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pretty boy meets tomboyish girl and fall in love.
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pretty boy meets tomboyish girl and fall in love.
Pretty as in like girlishly pretty or pretty as in like hot?
Because one of those is cliched and one of them is not.
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:07 PM
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Pretty as in like girlishly pretty or pretty as in like hot?
Because one of those is cliched and one of them is not.
I think someone needs to write a romance between a total tomboy and a girlishly pretty boy.
It must be done.
Perhaps it will even heal the damage done by the hot guy - tomboy girl thing.

I still think it's better than the hot guy - low-confidence "average" girl thing, though.
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:23 PM
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I think someone needs to write a romance between a total tomboy and a girlishly pretty boy.
It must be done.
Perhaps it will even heal the damage done by the hot guy - tomboy girl thing.

I still think it's better than the hot guy - low-confidence "average" girl thing, though.
I am a total tomboy.


That does not relate to anything.


But still.
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:24 PM
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I think someone needs to write a romance between a total tomboy and a girlishly pretty boy.
It must be done.
Perhaps it will even heal the damage done by the hot guy - tomboy girl thing.

I still think it's better than the hot guy - low-confidence "average" girl thing, though.
CAN I TAKE CREDIT FOR TOTALLY DOING THAT IN MY NOVEL
PETER, GIRLISHLY PRETTY AND KIND OF A SISSY AND SAM, VERY PLAIN-LOOKING BADASS TOMBOY FALL IN LOVE
I'm so proud of myself.
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